The Human Interview

‘We’re Trying to Normalise Changing One’s Mind’

Rich Logis was as deep into MAGA as a Trump supporter can be. Until he left. He speaks to Hardeep Matharu about the organisation he has created to help others exit the ‘extremist group’ – and to repent

Hardeep Matharu: What is your background in life and politics, and how did you end up in Donald Trump’s ‘Make America Great Again’ movement?

Rich Logis: I come from a quintessential middle-class family. My parents had a variety of public and private sector jobs, and they were highly apolitical. I don’t think my parents ever even voted. I formed some of my political beliefs in college, but spent many years between then and 2015 voting for third-party candidates. In 2015, I was a slightly left-leaning independent. I believed the two parties were the same. I felt very politically lonely. I thought democracy had failed most Americans, and most elected officials cared most about their donors and the wealthy and powerful.

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